Thanks so much!Originally Posted by chansl
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There is evident clouding in the water. I hope the cycling phase has been completed.
Did you wash the Anubias beforehand? It is imperative that you do this because they are occasionally treated with chemicals at the farms. If you don't rinse them well or quarantine the plants beforehand, any residual chemicals can cause deaths among your shrimps and snails if they come into contact with it.
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Are they soft to touch and have they hatched? Every so often these snails that are pregnant might prematurely bring them forward.Guys... Spotted something weird next to my rabbit snails. See the 2 white round things on the coral stones? Is that snail eggs?! Its a new tank. I dunno what else it could be...
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The Tylo snails give birth to 1~2 baby snails at a time and they don't lay eggs. The round things are worth taking out to inspect. Interesting.
Er Zenith, they generally don't lay eggs. But the babies are wrapped in a membrane occasionally when brought forth. If the birth is premature, they've been known to have these membranes. If the birth proceeds normally, the membrane is so thin as to be almost completely transparent and dissolves quickly. But yep, take them out and inspect! It'll be interesting ^^
Hi Draka, I know they don't lay eggs, the membrane are transparent unlike in the picture, looks white and round.
Take it out and inspect, may have new discovery.
haha paiseh, sounded wrong the way I phrased it. I meant sometimes the baby snails come out covered in an opaque, white membrane if birth is premature, the result looks similar to what Pupipupi posted.
Hi Stormhawk! Doubt the cycling is complete. I only started the tank running on Sunday night. But like I mentioned earlier, the shrimps were not responsive already (although alive). So I thought I'd like take a chance with the new tank. I figured worst case scenario, they don't make it in the new tank, but I'd give them a fighting chance in the new tank rather than a sure death in the old one.
For the plants, fret not. They have been soaking in my other mature tanks for a couple of months already. So I don't think it pesticides will be an issue.
To the others who responded to my post on the UWO (Unidentified White Object), I was reading up last night too. I think it's the white membrane which bro Draka mentioned. What bro Zenith82 witnessed would be the normal birth of a tylo. I did use a tong to prod it. Feels bouncy, very QQ, like those colourful tadpole thingies that people put in desserts. It's opaque and moving it around for a closer look, I spotted a faint black dot buried inside. I honestly they are premature tylo "eggs". I can't call them eggs since they are not. Apparently, some people would witness the baby tylos emerging from these membranes within an hour or so. I think mine will not survive since it the small black dot hardly looks big enough to be a fully formed baby tylo. Too bad for me in this case.
"Egg with faint black spot"
If those are really premature eggs brought forth by the tylos, no harm leaving them in there for a couple of more days to see what would happen because you never know what would!
And I personally think your GH is fine. Mine is about 10 and at the most 12 and the shrimps are doing fine (I saw a shrimplet which was probably part of the 'package' I got when I netted mama shrimps from the LFS). The only problem now is that 2 of the orange tylos I had gotten from Yany died though the rest are still surviving quite well. I can't pinpoint the reason as yet, but if anyone out there has a theory on why so, I will be all ears.
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Oh, never encounter such premature birth before. Interesting!
Don't worry, if there are no predators in the tank and your parameters are acceptable to the tylo snails, the babies should be fine and incubate as usual, you aren't using a fan or chiller right haha. However, do make sure its in an area where there's water circulation, not sure if it helps but better to be safe than sorry!
No chiller nor fan. But I added a pump with dispersed aeration under the huge coral shell (you can see bubbled coming out of there) to aerate the water more. I hope they will do well and my water parameters will not be erratic anymore.
In that case, the presence of ammonia and nitrite if any, are affecting your snails and shrimp. You should always put in the shrimps and snails in batches, not all at once, even in newly cycled tanks, so that the bacteria has time to proliferate in the filter media. I tend to use a "canary" to see if the water is fine, which in my case, is a cheap ramshorn snail. If it can't survive in the tank for 48 hours, it's not ready. If the snail shows signs of retracting back into the shell and refuse to come out, I will freak out.
However, some snails take awhile to come out of their shell. I bought 5 new blue apple snails from GC last week and introduced them to my community tank. Initially, 4 were actively foraging once they were in the tank, but one refused to come out of its shell. I was resigned to seeing it die on me, but the next day, the shell was missing from the spot. I thought it died so I did a "shell" count and found all 5 alive and actively foraging.
In the case of Sulawesi shrimps and snails, I feel that a matured tank is a must for these inverts, since they seem to be very sensitive to a whole host of things, and not just diet issues.
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I agree that I should have waited but I guess in my case, I didn't have a choice. The shrimps where dying in my previous tank. So I had to take a gamble. So far, they seem healthy. At least they now hide into the shadows when I gawk at them. And I can see them foraging for food as actively as before. I take that as a good sign.
As for the snails, I noticed the orange tylos haven't been as active as they used to be when they first arrived and the horned snails all shut themselves in their shells. The horned snails used to be very active. I see them moving around a lot. I'm guessing it is because of this powder I added in to get rid of the planaria. Given to me by bro Matt, it is effective as hell! But I'm pretty sure it affects the snails. Moving them to the new tank free of the powder, they seem to be recovering from it. The orange tylos are moving around as actively as they used to. I'm just waiting for the other snails to start foraging again. I see them out of their shells a little but they are still not moving.
Apple snails are really cute. They can grow very big though. I used to have 2 blue ones and 2 red ones. They even laid eggs on my tank walls! I have to say, it looked disgusting. Like brains... They never succesfully hatch though. Apple snails are very industrious cleaners and are fun to watch. Comes feeding time, they would usually climb up to the waterline and eat up the food pellets one by one in a string like they are eating M & Ms! Too cute!
Pupipupi, please do a water change. I hope you did not use no planaria and if you did, thank god you underdosed! It's been known to kill nerites and not advisable for tylos either. Any planaria killing medication has the potential to kill snails!
Any kind of powder or chemical that affects worms, in this case Planaria, will affect shrimps and snails. I'd suggest that you monitor the nitrate, nitrate and ammonia levels for the time being. Doing the water change like what Draka recommended, will help. My only concern is that an ammonia spike may occur, and this can be disastrous for your shrimp and snails.
My only hope with the apple snails is that they will actually consume the spot algae on my tank walls. They are in my community tank as "canaries" to see if I can finally reintroduce other snails back in.
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Me and my stupid non-common sense in this case. I should have thought about the fact that worms and slugs are kinda the same and what can kill Planaria should affect the snails too. Don't worry guys. I already transfered them to the new tank which is chemical free. Happy to report that the orange tylos are moving around as actively as they used to be. The other snails are not as active but have come out of their shells. Hope they recover soon.
Stormhawk, I don't think the apple snails will eat spot algae. I have better success with normal cherry and malayan shrimps and yamatoes eating up the spot algae on my tank walls.
It's just an experiment for me. I never really liked apple snails in the beginning, but these blues were too nice to pass up on.
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Hi guys,
Just an update, the white membranes are gone. Maybe the shrimps ate them up! Or the tylos themselves?! Haha! Either way, it was very interesting.
A couple more photos to share that I took last night.
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