Advise on 40cm shrimp tank

[xiaofeng90]

Hi everyone,

Thanks guys for the great help on my previous thread,
As my previous 2ft planted tank (shrimp+guppy) not really doing well ,lose 75% of my shrimp and they tend to hide in between my moss dw hole .
So i did a lot research on how to keep shrimp and breeding them recently i just bought
another batch of sakura shrimp and setup a cube tank so far so good and i have like 50-60 shrimplet now as they give birth recently and may i know how long they took to grow to 0.8-1cm ?

So now i have another 40cm tank and i want to make this tank a long term so i really need some recommend on the item and equipment.
The item i need and recommend is,
Soil that is good for shrimp , plant and breeding. (wish to get a good one)
Filter A good filter for the size of 40cmLength , height and wide i not sure maybe around 40cmx30cmx30cm.
Requirement For dosing Plant Name of the product i need to get for my plant healthy and growth rate and won't harm my shrimp . ( I using some cheap iron dose and fertilizer)
water condition GH & KH Best water condition for sakura/fire red for breeding


Thanks to all the bro here that took your time read up and giving me advise . Will upload a photo project when i starting to do it as now i still finding ideas for rock/hill scape .

[felix_fx2]

Hi xiaofeng90,

Cherry/Sakura more hardy. Can take the normal dosage.
For me I dose quite high and any shrimp death is not surprise to me.

I do recommend you to keep it to a minimum at 1st & let the bb and stuff grow.

The commonly used substrate for planted seems to be Ada series. For 1st timer and I do recommend you not to save on this. This is like foundation since you intend it to last. You can try other choices once you reach some success in the 1st try

The hard scape normally is the issue ,nice dw an rocks will need time to get.
For rocks, if you want to grab same or close tones. Will look more natural.

Before I forget, if you intend to use foreground plants like hc, glosso. Make sure you also research from examples from other threads. It helps.

[xiaofeng90]

Thanks felix ,

Is iron consider harmful to my shrimp/shrimplet ? Also it is to best to avoid using
water plant trace elements right since they contain zinc,manganese copper and so on ?
Can anyone recommend a safe water plant fertilizer , water plant trace elements and so for my shrimp/shrimplet tank as i afraid
its will case death to my newborn shrimp-let . Thanks a lot guys.

yes i did a research on soil too most people are use ada series , just wonder is there any better soil than this since i want my shrimp
to breed often.

Yes agree having headache making my right scape for my tank but i have something in mind still making my final scape before i start looking for my rock.
Still wonder should i use dragon rock or iwagumi rock, hmm...

[felix_fx2]

To be truthful,

No brand fertilizer is safe. Cause those also are the elements required by plants. They are absorbed by the plants from roots and leaves.
I do know copper is deadly to inverts such as shrimp.

For the above, you can browse forum to compare. It's quite straight forward, good planted tank cannot keep very high grade shrimp due to the fertilizers used. As their really really sensitive.

Moving forward, I see you are moving to a more planted approach. The cherry/Sakura, Yamato & Malayan shrimps will be the starter you would want to look at. Their more hardy then then high grade and be able to tolerate fertilization better (better don't mean their immune). They will breed IMHO when they feel water is good for them.

I choose Ada due to the public reviews. When I researched which brand to use, I didn't start direct with aquasoil (I'm using this term as many brands around which provide compressed soil.), most popular is Ada,GEX, BW planta soil & ect....

You can plant and look for dragon rocks. But there are no rocks called iwagumi. Iwagumi is rock arrangement or rather for some a scaping style also.

If you want iwagumi style rocks, good luck in searching. Try to buy at one go as many people including me complain cannot find nice rocks.

[xiaofeng90]

Thanks felix for the advice ,

I guess i will make a simple planted tank and i have some plant in my mind already , foreground i will me getting Japanese hair grass and top of the hill foreground will getting ricca .
Done with my carpet still finding some nice plant thinking of getting tiger lotus but i afraid the color will fade.
As for Shrimp , i might be keeping high grade fire red and chocolate , will they cross breed ?
Agree with you i been start searching for my rock so far haven came across any nice and suitable for scape , went to whole of Pasir Ris Farmway last weekend, any recommend place
that have ton of rock or nice rock to choose from ?

As for soil recently i found this brand is it better than ada ?
Below is the the soil and features,

BORNEOWILD SHRIMP SOIL 8kg
[BWSHS8]

Click to enlarge Designed to provide a mineral rich and soothing water parameter especially for soft water aquatic shrimps, BORNEOWILD SHRIMP SOIL creates a natural look and practical medium that would be appreciated by experienced breeders and aquarists.

BORNEOWILD SHRIMP SOIL maintains a mild acidity and adequate General Hardness, making it most suitable for keeping of ornamental shrimps such as crystal bee shrimps, cherry shrimps, all other soft water fauna and invertebrates. The soil granules allow good circulation of water and oxygen through the substrate and support the growth of micro-organisms, thus providing an excellent alternative biological media to the eco-system. The abundance of natural minerals essential to shrimp keeping provide a rich soil system for optimal growth and breeding of soft water shrimps.

BORNEOWILD SHRIMP SOIL is able to maintain crystal clear by absorbing impurities and brown tannin coloration released by driftwood. It reduces the presence of ammonia, thus allowing safer and faster introduction of fishes and invertebrates.

BORNEOWILD SHRIMP SOIL is created using a proprietary technique that hold the soil granules together, thus allowing it to not crumble into dust for a much longer period.

Features:
• Made from Natural Earth (天然土から育てられたエビ土)
• Contains essential trace minerals (ミネラル成分豊富)
• Absorbs impurities and tannins (不純物とタンニン酸を吸収する)
• Activates beneficial bacterium (有益なバイ菌を活性化する)
• Maintains ph 5.5-6.5 (PH5.5-6.5維持)
• Granules crumble resistant (顆粒の潰れを避ける)
• Clear water setups (清水のセットアップ)
• No need to rinse (水洗いがいらない)
• Add Shrimp within 3 days (三日間以内にエビを増やす)

[gryphon]

I have tiger lotus and I am using ADA new amazonia as my base soil. Using only LED lights, it is sprouting new leaves and still in nice red color.
Previously I was using Benibachi soil with the same LED light and the tiger lotus was more green. I reckon its the ADA new amazonia which has better nutrients for tiger lotus to grow better.
I would strongly recommend ADA with is more for plants but good for shrimps as well. But note that you will need to cycle the tank longer (3-4 weeks)

[xiaofeng90]

I have tiger lotus and I am using ADA new amazonia as my base soil. Using only LED lights, it is sprouting new leaves and still in nice red color.
Previously I was using Benibachi soil with the same LED light and the tiger lotus was more green. I reckon its the ADA new amazonia which has better nutrients for tiger lotus to grow better.
I would strongly recommend ADA with is more for plants but good for shrimps as well. But note that you will need to cycle the tank longer (3-4 weeks)

Thanks for the infomation guess i will stick with ADA , but may i know is it a must or recommend to use the below ,

ADA Substrate Base Combo Set (1.5 - 2 ft) 0
Click to enlarge ADA substrate additives are to be sprinkled on the bottom of the substrate layer, or on top of ADA Power Sand. These additives help to make a stable and healthy substrate in a newly freshwater planted aquarium setup.

Special packaging designed for 1.5 - 2 ft freshwater planted aquarium setup comprised the following special formula:
• ADA - Bacter 100
• ADA - Clear Super
• ADA - Tourmaline BC
• ADA - Penac P
• ADA - Penac W

(Picture/Product Detail From freshnmarine)

[gryphon]

ADA additivites are very expensive
I am on budget, only added Mosura Old Sea mud and BT9 at the base before adding ADA new amazonia.
If you are planning to plant lots of rooted plants, you can add ADA power sand instead of using those root fertilizers which may not be shrimp safe.

[xiaofeng90]

ADA additivites are very expensive
I am on budget, only added Mosura Old Sea mud and BT9 at the base before adding ADA new amazonia.
If you are planning to plant lots of rooted plants, you can add ADA power sand instead of using those root fertilizers which may not be shrimp safe.

Ya agree just asking is it a must, OK since my project tank will be less plant i will stick with Mosura sea mud and BT9 instead.

Does anyone know where got sell T5 light tube (6700k) just call nanyang and went to pasir ris farmway both have only 12k

Project Currently Bought/Done,
2x 2ft tank
lighting
co2
dw (finally found a nice and suitable for my project )
Japanese Hairgrass/Ricca for my foreground.

Still looking for , ( hope to get 2nd hand if anyone letting go any of the below please pm me as i still in the army , most of thing i get from the forum bros over here)
3tier 2ft stand/ W 30cm
Dragon rock
External canister filter

[wongce]

you die die want 6700k lights??

NA selling phillips brand 6500k, but slightly higher price than seaview... i noticed seaview don't have stock last saturday...

12000k lights can also grow plants though in case you really can't find any light tube at all...

[felix_fx2]

ADA additivites are very expensive
I am on budget, only added Mosura Old Sea mud and BT9 at the base before adding ADA new amazonia.
If you are planning to plant lots of rooted plants, you can add ADA power sand instead of using those root fertilizers which may not be shrimp safe.

Oh my, it seems we happen to share the same boat
Only Ada2 Amazonia and Root monster for me.

Y.....
Does anyone know where got sell T5 light tube (6700k) just call nanyang and went to pasir ris farmway both have only 12k

Project Currently Bought/Done,
2x 2ft tank
lighting
co2
dw (finally found a nice and suitable for my project )
Japanese Hairgrass/Ricca for my foreground.

Still looking for , ( hope to get 2nd hand if anyone letting go any of the below please pm me as i still in the army , most of thing i get from the forum bros over here)
3tier 2ft stand/ W 30cm
Dragon rock
External canister filter

Xiaofeng, can i know the lighting is brand new with 12000k tubes or used?
If brand new i suggest stick to the 12000k ones as they still can grow plants, normally you can see 6500k or 8000k and the latter costs much more. (the fact that your still serving army means it will burn a bigger hole in the tiny pocket of yours)
Btw, did you get the impression 12000k lights cannot grow plants?
I quote one thing, ADA lights use 8000k.

For the items you want to get, you can visit the Marketplace and seek out those which provide mobile number.

[xiaofeng90]

Oh my, it seems we happen to share the same boat
Only Ada2 Amazonia and Root monster for me.



Xiaofeng, can i know the lighting is brand new with 12000k tubes or used?
If brand new i suggest stick to the 12000k ones as they still can grow plants, normally you can see 6500k or 8000k and the latter costs much more. (the fact that your still serving army means it will burn a bigger hole in the tiny pocket of yours)
Btw, did you get the impression 12000k lights cannot grow plants?
I quote one thing, ADA lights use 8000k.

For the items you want to get, you can visit the Marketplace and seek out those which provide mobile number.

Yes the lighting is brand new with the 2x 12k 24w tube. But on my 2ftx1ftx1.5ft the lighting look kind of dim so add another extra pl 10k light it
make the tank look bright and the water look so crystal clear but the problem is my pl lighting eat a lot watt so i think better change one of my t5 light tube
to 6700k. But will 6700k heat up my 2ft tank very fast ? As i am using a cooler fan that can chill my tank to max 26degree . Thanks felix.

[felix_fx2]

Haha, t5 24w 12000k beside a pl 18w 6500k?
That's quite the difference if that's the case.

Same wattage same tube type should not much differences in heat

[xiaofeng90]

Haha, t5 24w 12000k beside a pl 18w 6500k?
That's quite the difference if that's the case.

Same wattage same tube type should not much differences in heat

oh i see thanks for the advice between i happen to see this product look quite good http://www.eco-lamps.com/KR94.htm
any ideas singapore have it ? if yes i sure i gonna save up for this eco-lamp haha

[felix_fx2]

oh i see thanks for the advice between i happen to see this product look quite good http://www.eco-lamps.com/KR94.htm
any ideas singapore have it ? if yes i sure i gonna save up for this eco-lamp haha

The site of AquaMarin does sell, but Marine models KR91, KR92 only.
IMHO for LED, given that the price tag starts $500++ for the basic KR91-12B... i rather go for Maxspect G2.
Reasons
1: Cheaper (i am also a thrifty hobbyist, but i make you Google for the price yourself)
2: Parts & LED Replacements. Something note worthy, as Eco Lamps i do not see the option.

My 50 cents, being totally blunt. how much is your tank + stand/cabinet costing you? Every single bro i see in forum who owns a good LED has a good tank to compliment it.
I don't mean to pour cold water, But no point saving when your payslip is low for a expensive LED set to pair a normal tank. Everyone will be busy complimenting the LEDs.

[Jeff Tan]

Bro. It really depends on what kind of scape you intend to do.
Whether you are going for low tech or high tech scape and the plants you intend to grow.
As mention by other bros that you need to go research on the plants you intend to introduce into your tank which can help you decide on the things/items you need to purchase. Some plants require fert and intense light to grow and for some they don't. it really depends on you so we could advice you further.
Some plants like hair grass, HC requires maintenance (trim) as it will create runners if they have the right perimeters to grow.

My shrimp tank:
Soil: ADA new
Light: 60 LED
Plants: Mini Fissiden, narrow left fern and mini pellia
with CO2
When setup never use any other stuff except for BT9 to help bateria growth.

[xiaofeng90]

The site of AquaMarin does sell, but Marine models KR91, KR92 only.
IMHO for LED, given that the price tag starts $500++ for the basic KR91-12B... i rather go for Maxspect G2.
Reasons
1: Cheaper (i am also a thrifty hobbyist, but i make you Google for the price yourself)
2: Parts & LED Replacements. Something note worthy, as Eco Lamps i do not see the option.

My 50 cents, being totally blunt. how much is your tank + stand/cabinet costing you? Every single bro i see in forum who owns a good LED has a good tank to compliment it.
I don't mean to pour cold water, But no point saving when your payslip is low for a expensive LED set to pair a normal tank. Everyone will be busy complimenting the LEDs.

haha no problem you just enlighten me i will go for budget now until i get out of ns i shall start make something big haha , can't wait to make a big project.
Hand very itchy lol

[xiaofeng90]

Bro. It really depends on what kind of scape you intend to do.
Whether you are going for low tech or high tech scape and the plants you intend to grow.
As mention by other bros that you need to go research on the plants you intend to introduce into your tank which can help you decide on the things/items you need to purchase. Some plants require fert and intense light to grow and for some they don't. it really depends on you so we could advice you further.
Some plants like hair grass, HC requires maintenance (trim) as it will create runners if they have the right perimeters to grow.

My shrimp tank:
Soil: ADA new
Light: 60 LED
Plants: Mini Fissiden, narrow left fern and mini pellia
with CO2
When setup never use any other stuff except for BT9 to help bateria growth.

Ya i have my scape in mind just now saw 2 nice rock but both shop say there are not for sale as been display only.
sigh nice rock that fix into my scape really hard to find, any bro know which or where have ton of rock to choose from ?
I intend to use jap hair grass and ricca for my foreground and some background plant and moss that all but does jap hair
grass need high co2 ?

[felix_fx2]

haha no problem you just enlighten me i will go for budget now until i get out of ns i shall start make something big haha , can't wait to make a big project.
Hand very itchy lol

Hand itchy just scratch it. But if super itchy must calamine lotion, if not you scratch until rash or bleed

Ya i have my scape in mind just now saw 2 nice rock but both shop say there are not for sale as been display only.
sigh nice rock that fix into my scape really hard to find, any bro know which or where have ton of rock to choose from ?
I intend to use jap hair grass and ricca for my foreground and some background plant and moss that all but does jap hair
grass need high co2 ?

Farms or seaview might be your next choice. GC had a clearance but doubt the sizes will suit you as those quite large sized.
No need high co2 to grow hairgrass and riccia but all plants will benefit and grow more pretty with co2 enrichment.

[xiaofeng90]

I give up on searching rock went to quite afew place this few day but still can't get the rock i want so i change into this , guys any comment on my current scape ?

Bottom were be plant glosso on top platform will be jap hair grass for the carpet.
Us fissden will be on dw and ricca will place at the coconut area.
still searching for background plant and middle plant now.
Any comment guys ? would like to hear some comment so i can improve Thanks guys