BAN of Shrimps Sales on AQ... so where else??

[paladin]

Actually, it's totally absurd that you spell it 'absurb'!

A forum that is free withdraws some of their 'services' and its members who joined free of charge calls their actions 'absurb' and 'hilarious'. Any constructive suggestions?

Anyway, I second VSGenesis. Once, I sold something I had spare and I asked the buyer to do the iTrader thing. He said ok, but nothing was given. He never came back to say what I sold him was not good or bad. AQ should not be the 'judge' but just a platform. Sellers who consistently sell good things should be given itrader points so that buyers can know who are the good sellers or bad sellers.

Thank you for correcting my spelling mistakes. Spelling errors happends.

No doubt the forum is free, it should not simply "withdraw" their services just because of some bad eggs. And hardric, AQ has not fully withdrawn from the sales of shrimps as yet, until further announcements.

Shouldn't AQ caters to the majority public? Why would there be such decision affecting the majority where only the minority complaints? Is banning of shrimps sales a better solution? Or its the easiest way out to problems resolutions?

The Buy / Sell thread does not only deal with shrimps but other equipments and lifestocks as well. By banning the sales of shrimps, is AQ trying to portray that incidents on buying promised quality stocks but given inferior stocks will not happend to other lifestocks? Isn't this discriminating to shrimps only?

Whats your constructive suggestions then, hardric?

[VSGenesis]

Err...it happened again.

Anyway, it is within their rights to do so. They are the owner. Even if they shut down the whole Buy/Sell, it is their wish. We can complain and talk about it but we can't do anything about it, can we? But AQ is not like that. Let's try to put ourselves in their shoes a bit.

What they have decided is to ban temporarily while they look into the matter. It is because of some bad eggs putting chewing gum on the lift and mrt door that caused the system to breakdown. Hence a quick solution is to ban. We might not like it but it's for the better.

So instead of asking why, let's talk/discuss about how do we overcome this. What constructive suggestions can we give so that everyone benefits and deter such problems from happening.

[paladin]

The itrader initiative by AQ is already a good tool to stop these nonsenses from problematic sales. And we are encouraged to leave a rating as a buyer to the seller.
But how often do members buyer here really uses it? Be it giving / selling, the recipients does not show interest in this.

And the basic law of purchase applies that when you're buying from an unknown source. It is your own responsiblity to verify, do your homework or see the goods before buying. No use crying over spilt milk. So, what more can AQ do to overcome this? They cannot cater / manage to all unforseen problems, can they? If the amount involved is huge, there are channels like Small Claim Tribunals or CASE that has the profession to handle these unpleasant cases. Not up to AQ to handle right?

AQ should not derail from their main intention of setting this forum; to encourage and provide a place for aquatic information sharing, not to give up the whole forest just because of a tree. Correct me if i'm wrong but this is my own opinion.

[Spid]

I posted here is to state my views as a AQ forumer for the past 6years.

As a shrimp hobbyist in AQ, I would say its quite a disappointment to see the ban on sale of shrimps. I guess it will somewhat dampen the spirit of shrimp keeping here in this forum.

Why do I say that?- Simply because sale of livestocks is a form of interaction between sellers and buyers. Its also the time where sellers able to share his experience with the buyers. And it is of course this type of interaction that keep this hobby going. I myself am sharing a lot of my experience in terms of shrimp keeping with most of people that bought shrimps from me, and most of them do contact me for help even after some time. Imagine if there is no one to guide a newbie or inexperieced shrimp keepers, lesser and lesser people will take up this hobby and eventually they will give up.

I have been through discus keeping as well and have seen ups and downs of few forums here in Singapore. I came to a conclusion that if a forum do not have active buyers and sellers, more than often the forum will get quieter and quieter. Well you can say AQ is not only a place for shrimp keepers. Theres are many species of fishes and crustaseans as well. But then from what I have read and realised these years is that more and more shrimp keepers are around this forum and some of whom do have been actively participating in shrimp discussions.

I do realise yes indeed the nature of this hobby is quarrelsome due to mockings here and there. But do keep this in mind, every hobby had their good and dark side.

I respect whatever decisions made by the AQ team, hope AQ team do see my feedback as constructive.

Thank you.

[jwuog]

I think there's a common misperception that the shrimp keeping community is the majority public, a vocal lot maybe, but majority unlikely. I had joined AQ since 2006, been reading it probably 1 year + before joining, before the advent of PRL line, BKK, KK etc, and AQ had already been a vibrant and friendly forum.

A forum is first and foremost a platform to exchange ideas, discuss areas of individual passions, banter about common interests etc. And as additional convenience to facilitate the hobby, a trading place as a privilege, not an entitlement.

Alas there's no panacea to solve what the mods face ( I am guessing complaints, flaming, one-upmanship etc) though VSGensis had some good suggestions. Unfortunately sometimes one has to make a hard decision for the greater good of the whole. Let the hobbyists who want to trade in shrimps, contact each other privately, out of the AQ platform. You will think in that case only mutual acquaintance and friends will deal with each other – that will solve the problem as friends don't flame/cheat friends. Any discord, let friends deal with friends. AQ washes its hands off all the unpleasant business.

Will AQ 'die-off' as a result? I am betting no as it has been around long before selective breeding of CRS gave rise to multitude 'lines' of shrimp. Quieter? Maybe.

[hardric]

Thank you for correcting my spelling mistakes. Spelling errors happends.

No doubt the forum is free, it should not simply "withdraw" their services just because of some bad eggs. And hardric, AQ has not fully withdrawn from the sales of shrimps as yet, until further announcements.

Shouldn't AQ caters to the majority public? Why would there be such decision affecting the majority where only the minority complaints? Is banning of shrimps sales a better solution? Or its the easiest way out to problems resolutions?

The Buy / Sell thread does not only deal with shrimps but other equipments and lifestocks as well. By banning the sales of shrimps, is AQ trying to portray that incidents on buying promised quality stocks but given inferior stocks will not happend to other lifestocks? Isn't this discriminating to shrimps only?

Whats your constructive suggestions then, hardric?

Yes, spelling errors happen.

I already said my piece, if you read my post.

I say and will say again. Any forum owner has the right to do whatever they wish to do. They don't owe us a living. They don't owe us anything. We might not like it, but we have to live with it. Try to help to solve the problem.

[vinz]

* Throw a pail full of old aquarium water, complete with siphoned detritus to cool things down *

Hi guys, thank you for the feedback. Another reminder to keep cool, ok? Let's not go off-topic. Remember the topic is AQ's decision to temporarily ban shrimp sales. Not each others posting styles, etc.

[paladin]

I think there's a common misperception that the shrimp keeping community is the majority public, a vocal lot maybe, but majority unlikely. I had joined AQ since 2006, been reading it probably 1 year + before joining, before the advent of PRL line, BKK, KK etc, and AQ had already been a vibrant and friendly forum.

A forum is first and foremost a platform to exchange ideas, discuss areas of individual passions, banter about common interests etc. And as additional convenience to facilitate the hobby, a trading place as a privilege, not an entitlement.

Alas there's no panacea to solve what the mods face ( I am guessing complaints, flaming, one-upmanship etc) though VSGensis had some good suggestions. Unfortunately sometimes one has to make a hard decision for the greater good of the whole. Let the hobbyists who want to trade in shrimps, contact each other privately, out of the AQ platform. You will think in that case only mutual acquaintance and friends will deal with each other – that will solve the problem as friends don't flame/cheat friends. Any discord, let friends deal with friends. AQ washes its hands off all the unpleasant business.

Will AQ 'die-off' as a result? I am betting no as it has been around long before selective breeding of CRS gave rise to multitude 'lines' of shrimp. Quieter? Maybe.

Hi jwuog,

Sorry, i failed to clarify what i meant by majority public. It is the majority of shrimp keepers. And i should not use the big term "public". Sorry for the disclarity.

What i'm trying to say is that, hoping AQ would not completely ban the sales of shrimps just because of some bad experiences with the buyers and sellers. Because, there are many other good shrimps sales that went through without any complaints. And i'm sure these deals are far more than those unhappy ones.

Banning the sales of shrimps in AQ closes a channel for shrimps hobbist. The shrimp hobbist will be depraved of chances to experience with many shrimps types and species, locally. And the knowledge channel on shrimps will gradually reduced. Certain shrimps, i can say, cannot be bought off the shelfs from the LFS. Even if so, we would purchase from them at a very high price but poor quality. And of course, i doubt the LFS owner is able to guide you how to breed the shrimps. As far as i know, some LFS owner don't even know what shrimps they are selling!

Only through the forums, either the marketing or knowledge sharing thread, then we get to hit many birds with one stone.
(1) Make new friends,
(2) Acquire multiple domain of knowledge,
(3) Lower purchase price to keep this hobby going, [Some hobbist are still studying, they might not have the buying power to pursue their hobby]
(4) Sometimes you might even get free shrimps to try breeding, and expand the shrimps breeding community!
(5) And so on....

As for actions that AQ has to take, i would not comment much because there are lots of ways to handle this small incident. Ultimately, it is still the owner's decision. And for what ever path the owner has chosen, he should be prepared for any consequences that comes along with it.

[paladin]

* Throw a pail full of old aquarium water, complete with siphoned detritus to cool things down *

Hi guys, thank you for the feedback. Another reminder to keep cool, ok? Let's not go off-topic. Remember the topic is AQ's decision to temporarily ban shrimp sales. Not each others posting styles, etc.

Haha... ya, i'm cool.
By the way, the title of the thread is "Ban of Shrimps Sales on AQ... so where else??" The topic is more like asking for alternative shrimps sales site. Are we already side tracked in the very first place?

[EvolutionZ]

it seems the whole thing starts because of high grade CRS/BDS losing color/dieing/grade not as expected when a customer bought from a seller and that causes many disputes. why not allow the sale of Cherry, sakura, tiger, yamato, malayan, sulawesi and other non-graded or not high graded shrimp? sakura may be graded so that could be out of the scheme..

[shearerkk]

Hi paladin,

Yes... I agree that the topic since abit side tracked... and yes I know even if anyknow know of any site(s), they will not be able to post it to link it...

All I can say is that at that point of time, I am desperate... I do have shrimps of more than 1 type to off load.. and now I cannot do so... and the popluation will grow and grow and grow.. and then what?!.. lelong? Maybe I will...... I don't sell to make profit.. that cannot cover my cost... it is a way for me to introduce shrimp hobby to others by off-loading my shrimps, and share my experience. Some buyers had even visit my tanks to look see look see. I am not one of 'them' (problem seller)

All I can say know is that if anyone know, in relating to the topic, PM me... so I can check it out for myself. Thanks!!

Haha... ya, i'm cool.
By the way, the title of the thread is "Ban of Shrimps Sales on AQ... so where else??" The topic is more like asking for alternative shrimps sales site. Are we already side tracked in the very first place?

[icefire]

Hi paladin,

Yes... I agree that the topic since abit side tracked... and yes I know even if anyknow know of any site(s), they will not be able to post it to link it...

All I can say is that at that point of time, I am desperate... I do have shrimps of more than 1 type to off load.. and now I cannot do so... and the popluation will grow and grow and grow.. and then what?!.. lelong? Maybe I will...... I don't sell to make profit.. that cannot cover my cost... it is a way for me to introduce shrimp hobby to others by off-loading my shrimps, and share my experience. Some buyers had even visit my tanks to look see look see. I am not one of 'them' (problem seller)

All I can say know is that if anyone know, in relating to the topic, PM me... so I can check it out for myself. Thanks!!

try LFS to offload shrimps if you said that you have quite a few pieces and species to offload and that don't sell to make profit and cannot cover your cost.


Sorry vinz,
I don't have much to contribute as i'm still in the midst of setting up a shrimp tank after stopping for nearly hmm 2 years? . However here is a solution that i think its feasible to shrimp breeders. Try offloading to LFS that sell shrimps. They may take in at lower prices or even low-ball you but this is at least better than your so called "increasing bioload"/"offload" due to shrimps forever breeding. However i would like to ask. How would you calculate increase in bioload when shrimps are so small in a 1-2ft tank and you have moss/plants to remove nitrates... For monster fishes i can understand but for shrimps/small fishes i cant... Will someone kindly point me in the right direction?. For those who got offended by this solution think hard about how many times per month/per week do you sell your shrimps to "lower your bioload" and that whether you are promoting this hobby or trying to make a profit out of it.

Best Regards,
YC

[VSGenesis]

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Just for laughs to lighten the mood.

[1112]

up here ^ is a good one.

Since we are still in ban mode, i can see some "bioload off-loader" may be panic and think of the future direction. traders may think of other options... sorry if offended.

i suggest AQ to open up the sell or trade in seasonal, once or twice a year, just for the purpose of off-load. may be traders can ride on that but surely defeat the trading purpose seeing only twice annually ... we know our local market well so the demand is limit/so call not overwhelmed, so once the sell season open up, there will be tones of supply flood the market. good thing is:

1) price will be cheap... because supply over demand... good for offloader as well for hobblist..... traders can grab the oportunity as well but good luck.. see no.2 below

2) sellers and buyers are allow to communicate, or networking outside AQ (even after sell season).... reason: for off-season sell... in this case seller in order to get continuous business will start to give quality supply and good service after sell.... or risk losing client in future... have to wait for next selling season.

3) Admin need to determine the time between the sell seasons right (seasonal harvest period?) and announce sometime (let admin decide, see next) before sell season open. this is the key!!

4)Notification send to all AQ member. (Well, good news for off-loader ( just wait) and buyer ( may be prepare tank and space), and a so so news for trader if the notification is such short period of time and have no time to prepare stock (import?...but the competition is off-loader..remember). the notification time suggested "normal tank cycle time" so that buyer can have enough preparation.)

Cheers.

[1112]

cont' above

5) admin must remove all the post after seasonal sales. Post format should be structured with picture, sell remark, price and contact number only, thread will not show member's profile. no reply to post or pm allowed. buyers can only call seller for arrangement. contacts is only be personal. so all sellers are equal, mod and admin job is minimum. advice to keep all contacts for off-season sell, for continuous buying or offloading.

[ZackZhou]

Hi mods:

Please allow Giving FOC shrimps away. It does not involve in any of the problems mentioned. Thanks.

[jhseah]

it seems the whole thing starts because of high grade CRS/BDS losing color/dieing/grade not as expected when a customer bought from a seller and that causes many disputes. why not allow the sale of Cherry, sakura, tiger, yamato, malayan, sulawesi and other non-graded or not high graded shrimp? sakura may be graded so that could be out of the scheme..

Good suggestion

[icefire]

Hi mods:

Please allow Giving FOC shrimps away. It does not involve in any of the problems mentioned. Thanks.

good suggestion

[shearerkk]

Thanks to a few brothers here who PM me directly regarding the shrimps.... appreciate it.

[newlife]

Hi mods:

Please allow Giving FOC shrimps away. It does not involve in any of the problems mentioned. Thanks.

Power...
Good idea....


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