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What are you trying to ask here? For someone to ID the fishes or to ID if it is a pair?
Kindly be specific in your question.
If you are asking what fishes are these, they are Balloon Rams
Can some helpful and more experienced forumer help in IDing this pair of fish?
Also, can the pair be "sexed" from the photo?
What are you trying to ask here? For someone to ID the fishes or to ID if it is a pair?
Kindly be specific in your question.
If you are asking what fishes are these, they are Balloon Rams
Nicholas
Newbie en el cichlid enano
Yippie!! Reptiles and Fishies!
I think he is asking for both.
Sorry. Thought I was quite clear. Two questions.
Firstly, ID the fish. Balloon Rams, thank you.
Then, whether they can be sexed. I assume they are males but can one tell?
Yes, quite right. Thank you.Originally Posted by ranmasatome
Think a clearer picture might help to sex if they are a pair.
Nicholas
Newbie en el cichlid enano
I have googled based on the name you provided. Thanks. Looks like I have a pair of males unless they are still juveniles and sexual differences are not clear yet. Will wait and watch.
they are german rams.. ballon or holland ram are less colour... i believe both are male too.. they are quite agreesive fishes.. i have them before.. eat my shrimps adult also.. but living with other fishes are fine
Last edited by Quixotic; 2nd May 2007 at 00:04.
Thanks, EvolutionZ. Some sites, particularly this:
http://www.aquariumlife.net/profiles...ram/100051.asp
treat the 2, i.e. balloon rams and german rams, as names for the same specie (Mikrogeophagus ramirezi, Apistogramma ramirezi, Microgeophagus ramirezi, Papilochromis ramirezi).
Mine, however, are more round, much like a discus. The various photos I have seen show a longish (like many of the apistos) shape. One forum I came across (can't locate it now, may post it if I can find it again), suggests (one forumer's opinion) that the shape is caused by hormones and make the fish more delicate (i.e. die easily unless conditions such as water, are very good). Have you seen the rounder ones? Have you come across the hormone "reason" mentioned above?
I believe both of mine are males too. Question. Did yours spawn when you had them? Wondering if they need a cave like the apistos mentioned in a number of threads here? Mine is a community tank and unless they guard the eggs in a cave, the eggs won't stand a chance. Might look for a female if there is at least a chance.
Never create what you can't control
German, Holland or balloon rams are most probably the same species, M. ramirezi. See post 11.
http://www.aquaticquotient.com/forum...ad.php?t=27292
In the wild and naturally occuring, they look like this.
They are not german rams. They are balloon rams. Anything that is round, are classified as balloons. Balloons are abit like abinos, where they are random gene mutations. But Asian farms decide that they are cute, and mass breed these traits and we get them mass marketed all over the world.
Btw, from the pictures, they do look like two males. The one of the right is clearly a male from the black lateral spot. As for the one on the left, I need a clearer picture on the lateral spot and also the dorsal fins.
Okay. Very much like balloon mollies. Know what you mean.
Regrettably, both look very alike dorsal fin wise. The spines in front are very pronounced and the trailing end are very sharp. Two males, I would say.
Searched the forums. Came across one (http://www.aquaticquotient.com/forum...ead.php?t=9168)
seems they spawn in an open depression. But protective parents like some (most?) cichlids.
German Rams?
Hi Evolution, kindly do a search on the net to see how a German ram looks like. There is a great difference bewteen a German Ram And a Balloon Ram.
Nicholas
Newbie en el cichlid enano
They are Holland Balloon Rams and looks like two male to me.If you are keen to get the female,go to seletar farmway,Sea view aquarium,they have a batch of female available.
Thanks, mictok.
Never create what you can't control
I still don't get why someone would refer to them as Holland or German rams.
Holland or German rams, as I understand it, are only called so because there are bred specifically in Holland or German and coveted because of the quality.
Balloon rams on the other hand are variants that are bred in Asian farms as mentioned by valice, and therefore, rather inappropriate to be referred as Holland or German balloon rams... unless someone can positively know that these are balloon rams that are bred in Holland or German.
However, all of them are of the species M. ramirezi. So it is suffice to just call these balloon rams, or simply, rams.
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.u...article_id=205
Well,we just follow what the aquarium shop say,dont know the specific country it comes from,only God will know.
Never create what you can't control
Don't get me wrong, this is not to point fingers or blame anyone. The intention is to highlight why it is called what it is, and point out that it is a misnomer.
Unfortunately, LFS are not in the business of scientifically identifying fishes, which is why you came here to find out what they are.
And I can tell you for sure, these balloons definitely come from Asian farms.
You know, the interesting thing is sometimes when you go to an LFS, the shop guy will tell you not to believe whatever you read on the forums. So who's correct?
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